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Way Ahead of Mandelbrot in Several Aspects

Moreover, that there is any "theoretical reformulation" of the idea of market self-affinity, as Mandelbrot claims, is not evident from a close reading of his article. Allowing for differences in terminology, there is nothing in the article that writers about the Wave Principle have not already said except perhaps for the material in his inset, which helps demonstrate that Elliott was right. If there is any difference between Elliott’s and Mandelbrot’s formulation of the thesis, it is the relative richness of the former.

For instance, the forms in Mandelbrot’s illustrations are arbitrary, making his specific depiction truly a rootless abstraction. He just draws lines off the same sentence top of his head to simulate market fractality. Elliott, in contrast, spent the better part of a decade studying actual market price movements before coming to a conclusion regarding the essential pattern that repeats at higher scales. Mandelbrot depicts the market as three movements in each direction, which entreats one to ask, "In the real world, why should the rising lines be longer than the falling ones?" Elliott noticed that in the real world, rising trends typically subdivide into five "waves" (Mandelbrot calls them "pieces") and falling trends into three. This also happens to be the minimal form, certain other things being equal, that allows both fluctuation and progress in this type of system. Mandelbrot proposes no specific pattern while nevertheless being forced to invent one for his depiction. Elliott catalogued the forms that appear in the real world and depicted them accordingly. One may attempt to dispute Elliott’s work in this regard, but he may not dismiss it or ignore it.

Mandelbrot states:

On a practical level, this finding suggests that a fractal generator can be developed based on historical market data. The actual model does not simply inspect what the market did yesterday or last week…. The charts created from the generators produced by this model can simulate alternative scenarios based on previous market activity.14

This is not a new idea that can now arise from Mandelbrot’s "new" discovery. Developing a fractal generator based on historical market data is exactly what Elliott did. Numerous practitioners have gone back to the start of stock trading records to produce "alternative scenarios based on previous market activity" as an ongoing exercise. In 1986, my firm employed the Lockheed Corporation to begin developing a computerized expert system that applies Elliott’s model of market self-affinity to the task of stock market forecasting. It considers stock market data going back to the start of the century and ranks what our 1978 book15 terms "alternate counts" by the degree to which they fit the ideal model.

Continue with Prechter's Response

Scientific Controversy Introduction - Mandelbrot's ArticlePrechter's Letter to the Editor - Prechter's Response
Follow-up Responses - Postscript - Mandelbrot's Reply and Prechter's Response - Socionomics